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Human Remains Found in Cabin; No Dorner ID

Authorities say a man believed to be Chris Dorner was holed up inside a cabin south of Big Bear, and that cabin was later set ablaze.

Wednesday

Update 8:18 a.m. LAPD Lt. Andy Neiman said police protection remains for several people named in Dorner's manifesto and their families. However, the department is no longer on tactical alert.

Department personnel listened to streams of Monday's gunbattle on the Internet. "It was horrifying to listen to," Neiman said. When they heard "officer down," he said it was gut-wrenching.

Meanwhile, a procession of police cars is underway to honor Riverside police officer Michael Crain. Funeral services for Crain, believed shot and killed Thursday by Dorner, will be held at Grove Community Center in Riverside.

Tuesday

Update 11:49 p.m. Investigators have located charred human remains in the debris of the burned out cabin east of Angelus Oaks, where a suspect believed to be fugitive Christopher Jordan Dorner fatally shot a San Bernardino County sheriff's deputy.

Confirmed identification of the charred remains will be attempted through forensic means, a sheriff's spokeswoman said late Tuesday.

Update 9:35 p.m.: Woman Thought to be Dorner's Mom Spotted at La Palma Restaurant Watching News Coverage

Update 9 p.m: Lt. Patrick Foy of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife said at a press conference that officers on scene believed they recognized Dorner's face before he began shooting at them.

Update 8:40 p.m: San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department spokesman Cindy Bachman confirmed that no body has yet been recovered.  She said the department does believe that there is a body inside and that whoever the shooter in the cabin was did not escape.

She said the department believes that the person in the cabin is in fact Dorner.

She added that it is not safe to enter the cabin and anticipates there will be investigators at the scene most of the night.

Update 8:11 p.m.: In a news conference at LAPD headquarters, LAPD Commander Andrew Smith said that no body has been located in the cabin because the fire is still too hot for investigators to enter.

The LAPD will continue to provide protection to targets listed in Dorner's manifesto until a body has been located and has been confirmed to be Dorner.

"We are still on a tactical alert and still maintaining high alert for all our facilities," he said.

Update 8:06 p.m: LAPD Commander Andrew Smith told the media no body has been recovered from the cabin yet and the department will continue to protect officers as there is no verification that Dorner is dead.

Update 7:45 p.m.: Law-enforcement sources are telling CNN that the body pulled from the burning cabin is Dorner's; however, personnel will conduct a forensic exam to positively identify the body.

CNN also reported that a news conference with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department could happen "quite soon."

Update 7:07 p.m: KTLA is reporting that Dorner is dead, based on LAPD sources.

Update 6:45 p.m.: A body believed to be that of Chris Dorner was found inside the cabin, and was allegedly seen carried away, KCAL-TV reported.

The Associated Press is also reporting that a burned body was found.

Official word on the condition of the man believed to be Dorner has not been made public.

Update 5:50 p.m.: Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa expressed his condolences to the family and colleagues of the San Bernardino Sheriff's deputy who was killed.

"I want to say that on behalf of the people of Los Angeles, our hearts and prayers are with the San Bernardino deputy who was shot and killed today," he said at 5:47 p.m.  Our prayers are with their family, with the people of San Bernardino, with the sheriff's department of that county. I want to thank them for their bravery."

As the cabin in which Dorner was believed to have been holed up inside burned to the ground, Villaraigosa would not confirm nor comment on the fate of the man.

"I want to thank all of the law enforcement professionals who have, day and night, tried to bring Christopher Dorner to justice and obviously I'm not going to comment on what most of you have seen as I have because I'm not in a position to do that; that's for the representatives of the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department."

Update 5:35 p.m.: Redlands police officers working a roadblock along SR 38 near Yucaipa are now letting residents and media pass.

Officers are checking ID cards to confirm residency and, at this time, are only letting those who can prove they live in the area or work for a media outlet continue up the mountain road that heads to Big Bear.

Aerial footage of the burning cabin near Big Bear shows the cabin has nearly burned to the ground at this point, but officials have not announced what's happened to the man believed to be Dorner inside.

Update 5:15 p.m.: Cindy Bachman, a public information officer with the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department, has announced more details in the manhunt for fugitive Chris Dorner near Big Bear.

"We still have an active scene here, in the Angelus Oaks area," she said at 4:49 p.m. at a police roadblock set up along SR 38 near Yucaipa—one of the main entry points into the Big Bear area.

"There is a subject barricaded in a cabin and at this time that cabin is on fire," she said, later adding that fire crews won't go near the fire just yet, since it's believed there's an armed person inside.

"I know the subject stole a vehicle from the Big Bear area," she said, describing how the scene unfolded earlier. "He fled on foot not far from this cabin that he's in now. When he barricaded himself in the cabin, there was gunfire exchanged between the deputies—who were the first responders—and the suspect.

"The suspect has been described as looking similar to Christopher Dorner, and we have reason to believe that it is him," Bachman continued. "That is unconfirmed at this time, because we have not had any contact with him, except for the deputies that were engaged in gunfire with him."

Bachman said law enforcement personnel "are planning on a long night," as the area is considered an active crime scene.

"If this is Christopher Dorner here, he's now responsible for the murder of four people, and attempted murder of three others," she said.

"The entire area is surrounded by law enforcement personnel," she said.  "As you know, there's been law enforcement here in the mountain communities from across Southern California, including the FBI, the U.S. Marshals; we have plenty of air support and we need to let them do their jobs, and bring this incident to a safe ending."

Update 4:39 p.m.: A cabin in the Big Bear area is on fire, as visible from news helicopter vantage points.  

It's yet to be confirmed by law enforcement that this is the same cabin in which Chris Dorner is believed to be holed up inside.

Update 4:22 p.m.: Officials outside of Loma Linda University Medical Center have confirmed the death of a San Bernardino County Sheriff's deputy.

San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon confirmed the death during a brief news conference.

"Unfortunately one of our deputies passed away as a result of his injuries," McMahon said outside the hospital at 4:22 p.m.

A second deputy who was shot was in surgery, "but he should be fine," the sheriff said.

"That information was made aware to the deputies that the suspect who stole the vehicle matched the description (of Dorner)," he said.  "He crashed the car, and then took off into the forest."

Sheriff's spokeswoman Jodi Miller said there will be no information released at this time about the deputies who were shot.

4 p.m. update: One of the deputies who was shot during the gun battle has died, according to the L.A. Times.

Update 3:55 p.m.: The Los Angeles Times is reporting that one of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Deputies who was shot this afternoon has died.

Sheriff's Officials did not immediately return email or phone requests for confirmation from Patch.

Update 3:30 p.m.: The Bear Valley Unified School District tells Patch that four of their schools were initially locked down in the Big Bear area.

As of 3:30 p.m., only one school remained on full lock down, according to Shelley Black, executive assistant to the superintendent.

"[Falls Vale] remains on full lockdown due to the distance from where authorities are," she told Patch in a telephone interview, adding that the school is located only about seven miles from where police were located.

Update 3:15 p.m.:  Los Angeles police announced at a press conference that they are on standby to assist the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department in the search for fugitive Christopher Dorner in Big Bear.

The man holed up inside a cabin has yet to be confirmed as Dorner.

“The likelihood is that it’s him, but we can’t say for sure," LAPD Commander Andrew Smith said in a press conference.

Update 2:14 p.m.:  Police have released this statement, confirming the sighting of a man believed to be Dorner in Big Bear, and an apparent shootout between that man and law enforcement in the area: 

On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 at 12:22 p.m, deputies working the Big Bear area search for Christopher Dorner responded to the 1200 block of Club View Dr. for a reported stolen vehicle.  The reporting party said the suspect took their vehicle and described the suspect as looking very similar to Dorner. Deputies immediately began a search on the ground and from the air for the vehicle.

The vehicle was located at Hwy. 38 and Glass Rd.  The suspect fled into the forest and barricaded himself inside a cabin.  A short time later there was an exchange of gunfire between law enforcement and the suspect.  Sheriff’s SWAT is onscene.

Two law enforcement officers are being airlifted to a local hospital with unknown injuries.

Updates will be sent as new information becomes available.

Update 1:46 p.m. Law enforcement officers are involved in a possible shootout with triple homicide suspect and rogue ex-LAPD cop Christopher Jordan Dorner in the area of Glass Road of State Route 38, near Jenks Lake, east of Angelus Oaks, according to broadcast news reports.

Update 1:26 p.m. One or two law enforcement officers may have been shot in the San Bernardino Mountains as authorities investigate a possible sighting of fugitive Christopher Jordan Dorner, NBC 4 Los Angeles is reporting.

Redlands police have shut down State Route 38 at Bryant in Yucaipa and east of Mentone, city spokesman Carl Baker tells Patch.

Caltrans posted on its Facebook Page that it "will assist with hard closures of all routes at the base of the mountain out of Big Bear." Motorists should stay out of the area.

Update 1:21 p.m. Law enforcement officers have shut down State Routes 38, 330 and 18 out of the San Bernardino Mountains and they are investigating an unconfirmed sighting of Christopher Jordan Dorner on Club View in the Big Bear Lake area.

"We received a call about 12:20 p.m. today in the 1200 block of Club View," Jodi Miller of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department told Redlands-Loma Linda Patch in a phone interview.

"The reportee described a suspect with similarities to Christopher Dorner, however that has not been confirmed," Miller said. "A vehicle was stolen and deputies are looking for a vehicle at this time."

No vehicle description was available, Miller said.

Update 1:06 p.m. Authorities are checking out unconfirmed reports of shots fired and a possible sighting of Christopher Jordan Dorner in the San Bernardino Mountains, according to the Sheriff's Department.

Roads out of the Big Bear were closed Tuesday afternoon, including State Route 38, as law enforcement investigated a possible carjacking, RimoftheWorld.net reported.

Update 10:36 a.m. Law enforcement officials have asked residents in the Big Bear area to review home security cameras for any photos or video of fugitive Christopher Jordan Dorner, a spokesman for the Los Angeles Police Department said Tuesday morning.

Residents in Moonridge, Sugarloaf, Bluff Lake, Jenks Lake, Angelus Oaks and Converse Flats with security cameras at their homes have been asked to review video or photos recorded since early Feb. 7 to see if there are any images of Dorner, LAPD Officer Alex Martinez of the Media Relations Section said in a phone interview.

Posted 10:06 a.m. A search for accused triple homicide suspect and rogue ex-LAPD cop Christopher Jordan Dorner continued Tuesday in the San Bernardino Mountains, a sheriff's spokeswoman said before 9 a.m. Feb. 12.

"The search area encompasses the 6 square miles of Big Bear Lake and the 25  square miles of the unincorporated area of Big Bear," Jodi Miller of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department said.

There's been no comfirmed sign of Dorner since Thursday, when he allegedly shot and killed Riverside police Officer Michael Crain in Riverside, and a burned-out Nissan Titan confirmed to be Dorner's was discovered on a forest road near Club View in the Big Bear Lake area.

"Thirty law enforcement personnel are continuing to search for Christopher Dorner and provide additional patrol to the residents of the Big Bear Valley," Miller said.

Deputies are continuing to search vacation homes and government-lease cabins that are in a remote area of the mountain forest, Miller said. Aerial support is available if needed.

"There have been no sightings of Dorner in the Big Bear area," Miller said.

Rifles, a camping stove, a cot and propane gas supplies were found inside Dorner's burned-out truck, and one of its axles may have broken before it burned, according to law enforcement sources.

Dorner, a military-trained marksman believed in possession of assault weapons, is accused of killing Crain on Feb. 7, and a former LAPD captain's daughter and her fiancé in Irvine on Feb. 3.

Crain, a U.S. Marine Corps veteran and 11-year officer in Riverside, graduated from Redlands High School, attended Crafton Hills College in Yucaipa, and lived in Beaumont, Riverside police said when they publicly identified him Sunday.

"The search for Christopher Dorner will continue until he has been apprehended or it has been determined that he is no longer on the mountain," Sheriff John McMahon said.

Anyone with info about Dorner and his whereabouts is urged to call 911. A $1 million award was offered Feb. 10 for information leading to his capture and conviction.

Stay with Patch for more information as it becomes available.

not Carl Peterson lll February 13, 2013 at 11:57 PM
After re-reading my post, I realize I was not very clear. I was talking about the people who claim things like grand conspiricies that defy logic. Things like, It is all staged, no one was killed, The police deserve getting killed by dorner etc..... The people in that camp, art the ones I was referring to. My observation from not just a few bio's but previous posts, were on the liberal side. There are wacky people on both sides of the aisle. It doen't mean that side of the aisle is nuts.people who are not very sane can fall on either side. We could be on a different website, or blog where a different subject will be filled with ilogical conspiricies who claim to be on the right.
William Korn February 14, 2013 at 12:07 AM
Tim Sole, that's great. I salute you. I don't mind at all if you're not a liberal. Debating issues is part of what comment threads are about, so long as it's more than an exercise in flame war. As to why Altadena Patch seems to have so many liberals on it, it's probably because Altadena is a very blue community (although not exclusively so, see gitinjiggywitit). Buzz, for all I know you're the nicest guy in the universe. I admire your hiking abilities and who knows, maybe I'd enjoy being in your company. But so long as you persist in making smarmy comments like the one above, I will persist in calling you on it. Don't like it? Complain to the Editor! If I'm violating the rules, I'm sure she'll kick me off.
Ali February 14, 2013 at 12:15 AM
I am watching the news right now and they did NOT say anything about the body being female. They have no identification yet. I bet Mr. Strickland is watching Fox News lol
William Korn February 14, 2013 at 12:17 AM
So I was wrong last night. It may take more than a day to get all this straightened out. After the 1996 Olympics bombing, I made for myself the "Six hour rule", which states that anything said on the media about some big event or catastrophe in the first six hours after it happened is probably wrong. It's a consequence of the 24-hour news cycle, when everyone wants to be first with the news and might be less diligent than journalists used to be about making sure the information they're getting is correct. It for sure hasn't gotten any better since 1996.
not Carl Peterson lll February 14, 2013 at 12:40 AM
W Korn are posts (4:10) hit the same time, so I will assume you are still commenting about my unclear Tuesday comment. As for you calling me out....How can anyone complain. You express your views without any vile content. If anyone has trouble with an editor, Its me. I have more than once got a bit......hmmm...passionate.
Bill Price February 14, 2013 at 01:14 AM
William your naive if you think this guy was going to surrender. Read his manifesto, he declared war on the police department and their families period. He said he would never be taken alive and was heavily armed. Even if he did try and surrender how could anyone be sure that he wouldn't take another life. Terminate with extreme predigest was the only way to go. He got what he deserved and I hope he rots in hell.
L.S February 14, 2013 at 01:17 AM
The System of the L.A.P.D. failed this Man and turn him into a Monster.
Profes Shivers February 14, 2013 at 02:17 AM
@Always Right (that says it all, eh?)--Sham? Of course. And your insult makes you unworthy of further attention. @Jonathan STout--Cynic? No, a realist. Unbalanced? Perhaps, but that's a totally different topic requiring your knowing other things about me, nothing I've already written!
Profes Shivers February 14, 2013 at 02:32 AM
Yes, Soulicitor, you're right. You others are lost causes. Further, the female cop who lied about beating that person way back at the beginning of all of this and all those who covered her sorry ass are responsible for ALL his murders. Law of unintended consequences. Pure and simple.
William Korn February 14, 2013 at 02:36 AM
Did you catch the part of my comment that said "in the unlikely event that he surrendered", Mr. Price? However, IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT he HAD surrendered, he wouldn't have been the first to claim he would "never be taken alive" and then given up without a fight. Otherwise, I stand by the comment I made about the line of reasoning you're promoting.
Profes Shivers February 14, 2013 at 02:39 AM
RR, voice of reason. Thanks.
Profes Shivers February 14, 2013 at 02:40 AM
Secret I'm Listed, well put.
not Carl Peterson lll February 14, 2013 at 02:42 AM
P shiver What part of, he had a hearing, had an appeal hearing don't you understand was a hearing. You have a problem with hearing?
Profes Shivers February 14, 2013 at 02:44 AM
Maggie Thatcher, good point. And please ignore Always Right: all he knows is how to insult and he thinks that gives him a leg up. He's a lost cause. Don't respond to him.
not Carl Peterson lll February 14, 2013 at 03:07 AM
P shivters So let's see, somehow you know the inside scoop of the history of a terrorist. WOW SHIVER! And, you KNOW the truth with absolute zero evidence.. You are truly a magic man. And now let's see, let's assume you are right,... Just for fun. DORNER turning into a terrorist is not his fault, you say. It's those other evil doers that fired him ...wait I am thinking here..... OK so according to you shiverings, anyone that is fired is not to be responsible for turning into a terrorist and murdering as many innocent people as he can, until those evil people stop them from murdering. OK GOT IT!!! B, b, bbb, but shivers, um.. After a while EVERY person in the world would be brutally murdered. You are sooooo smart! Beyond cool man
MR STRICKLAND February 14, 2013 at 03:42 AM
haha no ALI it was a kinda word of mouth that was passed along at work. i was juzt wondering if it wuz true... lnao @ fox news lol
Secret I'm Listed February 14, 2013 at 04:28 AM
Bill Price - The 71 year old female paper deliverer was shot twice in the back - TWICE IN THE BACK! Dorner WAS NOT the shooter in this case. I may be wrong, but I think the shooter in this case was an LAPD officer. I guess that makes one more coward in the "greatest single fighting force in the history of mankind", as you so eloquently put it. To quote you, again..."Nothing more or less than that."
William Korn February 14, 2013 at 05:47 AM
Correct, Buzz. And I try not to play my "vile-in" when I'm online.
William Korn February 14, 2013 at 05:51 AM
Ms. Mamma, articles might start here, but anyone on any Patch can comment on them. Also, this article in particular was probably cross-posted by the "L.A. Patch Staff" everywhere in the region.
William Korn February 14, 2013 at 06:13 AM
By the way, Mr. Price, Jeremiah McKay, the officer that was killed by Dorner yesterday, was interviewed by the Associated Press on Saturday. Among other things, Deputy McKay said, "We're hoping this comes to a close without any more casualties. The best thing would be for him to give up." In my never-ever-humble opinion, this man was a hero doing his job the way it needed to be done. Your bloodthirsty comments from the safety of the spectator's gallery arouse a different response in me. I'll be as nice as I can and just say that your opinions are beneath contempt.
Tony February 14, 2013 at 01:40 PM
I think the Cops should be investigated. Internal affairs should look into this case and see if the Police men purposely burnt the cabin down. Reports are they fired tradition tear gas into the cabin. That did not work. Then they fired the highly flammable tear gas knowing there was a very strong possibility that the cabin would catch on fire. Also one of the cops said over the open air. Burn the mother f----er down! Sounds like to me they didn't want to take him alive. Its a terrible thing that he killed 4 cops and i understand the frustration. But the problem we will have. If cops start playing Judge, Jurry & executioner is quite scary. They are not above the law. They are there to uphold the law...Should be an investigation. if other actions could of been taken.
Childern of the Korm February 14, 2013 at 03:57 PM
Korm, take your liberal nambi pambi, I am a better than you attitude and shove it up your u-hoo.
Laura Tompkins February 14, 2013 at 05:12 PM
Thank you William! I wouldn't take what he writes seriously. Anyone who does not know the difference between your and you're is not worth the time or head space. Ignorance, in this case, is not bliss.
Jorge February 14, 2013 at 07:07 PM
I don't normally comment, but they were justified in killing him even if it wasnt their intention. The courts have ruled that law enforcement are justified in using deadly force if they can show that the suspect would pose a danger to society and public safety, and yes, Dorner did pose an extreme danger to everyone.
MR STRICKLAND February 14, 2013 at 08:31 PM
lol
Secret I'm Listed February 14, 2013 at 08:34 PM
Writer Guy - my sentiments exactly. I try very hard to avoid reading comments posted on any Patch story for this very reason. No matter the topic, it all comes down to their lowest political/conspiracy/moronic level. There are enough "sane" people writing here about his Dorner situation, that I made the conscience decision to follow the thread; however, the few logical commentators are far outnumbered by the idiotic babblers. Your last question is a good one. I wish we could find the answer; but, society today is saturated with people who suffer from the "ME" syndrome, have been insulated from "hurt feelings" and saturated with "Oh, poor baby" babble. All I can say is: I feel so sorry for Dorner's mother. No one understands, especially the perpetrator, what the families of these perps go through. This woman has apologized, but I can almost guarantee she will be blamed, if only by herself, for what transpired because of her son. We will never know the truth about Dorner's claims, but we do know what he did after writing his manifesto. Major wrong on his part, and he left his mother to live with it. May God give her His blessing and peace. I hope people understand her situation and give her that understanding.
John Smith February 15, 2013 at 05:51 AM
RIP CJD
not Carl Peterson lll February 15, 2013 at 07:21 AM
pshivers has no answer. He only knows how to spit out crap, and run. Not enough logic to handle a fact.
not Carl Peterson lll February 15, 2013 at 07:34 AM
Paul, oh Paul, ......"Sometimes good people do bad things".... really Paul?..Dorner was "good", and just, well. you know did a bad thing? How do YOU know he had PTS ? If he was classified as so, he would not have passed the pschyc test. "LAPD created this mess"===No Paul, Dorner went on a shooting spree. I don't feel like going over the rest of your comment-its more ofd the same. Everyone is a vicim of the man, huh Paul? loser childish mentality. This country is now full of this kind of thought--------and look where the country is now........good god people, wake up. The collective mental dissorder is on meds and in grave condition.
EagleRockMom February 15, 2013 at 01:54 PM
Oh come on, Paul. Don't hail Rodney King as some sort of saint. The guy was an idiot. He was high and drunk while driving his car, failed to stop his car, then didn't comply with officers' orders and resisted arrest. The officers in that situation did use excessive force, but King was no angel. Dorner was an egotistical jerk. Don't let the news media inform you on this case because the truth about this punk has yet to come out. He murdered innocent people because of his short comings. He does not get applauded for that.

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